I watched center floor yestrrday after reading this thread and realized I don't use it a lot because of the music. Kari's cardio is different from Ellen's and in her fusion type workouts I feel more stretched in the shoulders and upper back after an Ellen workout. Kari's cardio workouts seem better for flexibility (except for seii which doesn't help with flexibility at all) but I think Ellen does a better job of combining toning, stretch, and light cardio. I love almost all of Kari's cardio tapes.
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